P36 Hawk - French Use

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Captain W Martin
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P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Captain W Martin » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:01 pm

Hi all,
Any have the gen or care to hazard a guess what the stats would be?
Thanks
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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Joe Legan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:44 pm

The Stats I use are
Spd 6
Manuver Spritely (5)
Rob 1
Guns 4mg variant 4 6mg variant 5
Ammo 16
1C 1L end of 1940 only.

Hope that helps. The above are for the Hawk in French service. What guns did the P-36 have?

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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Joe Legan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:47 pm

Sorry just re read the title. You wanted the Hawk. Those are for the Hawk in French use. Only other note is the French had crappy radios. I roll a d10 at the beginning of the scenario for each plane with a 40% that the radio works. If not increase odds of wingmen not following and elements not working together.
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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Captain W Martin » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:38 pm

Looking at the Curtis Hawk in French service again before we start a campaign:

Did these have pilot armour?

Did they have self sealing tanks?

Im rating the A1/2 with FF 5/7 should this be shifted down 1 for the poor french sights? Were they poor?

Currently Im giving the A1/2 a MAN of 6*/6 all the accounts I have read say it was extremly nimble and a match for the 109E in a turn fight. They also suggest the upgunned A2 lost some performnce.

Should the A1 have the same free turn as the Spitfire?

H75-A1/A2
Speed 6
Man 6*/6
Ceiling 6
ROC 2
ROB 1*
Size 1
Front 5/7
Ammo 12
Gun 4 MG (2 C Line / 6 MG (C Line)

No pilot armour
Tailing a/c get -1 to stay on tail in Break Turn

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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Emilio » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:00 pm

No pilot armour. A1 and A2 began adding rubber liners to fuel tanks on late 1939 early 1940. Not all planes carried them. They had 30 seconds ammunition for nose guns and 24 seconds ammunition for wing guns. Later A2 models carried 6 mg. They were only a couple of mph slower. Model A3 carried 6 mg, most had fuel tank protection and were a bit faster than previous models.

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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Captain W Martin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:13 am

Thanks for that.
Any thought on the free turn and general MAN rating? Was the French gun sight really bad?

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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Captain W Martin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:28 pm

Wow...the P36 out climbs a 109 E......

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Re: P36 Hawk - French Use

Post by Emilio » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:07 pm

I wouldn't change anything about gun sights. It is not worth it.

About climb rate. Hawk 75 climbs 3700 feet per minute under 6000 feet, and then goes down, 1200 feet per minute at 20000 feet. The Bf-109-3 climbs 3300 under 6000 feet but climbs 1600 at 20000 feet. So Bf-109 performance at high altitude is better. Hawk 75 losses more power with altitude. Above 30000 feet it almost can´t maneuver. At medium at low altitudes can maneuver better than the Bf-109, but the 109 is much faster, especially at high altitudes.

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