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Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:20 pm
by Kustenjaeger
Greetings

If I recall correctly, in UK service, if an AT gun was about to be overrun then the crew was supposed to disable the gun and evade. If the gun was knocked out they were meant to withdraw and not be used other than as gun crew (being specialists).

Regards

Edward

Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:14 pm
by Truscott Trotter
Yup same with 25 pdrs and Soviet 45mm ATG, grab the sights and bugger off

Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:16 am
by John Thomas8
BLabrum^ wrote: โ†‘
Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:07 am
Is a wheeled gun (field gun, anti-tank gun, etc..) allowed to move in heavy going (i.e. is it a wheeled vehicle?)? Seems a bit daft to have it move as well as infantry where wheeled vehicles cannot go and tracked vehicles may be immobilized?

Why would an unpowered, two-wheeled gun carriage be allowed to move at even half the rate of straight infantry?

Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:52 am
by Truscott Trotter
I think the point is wheeled vehicles cannot move AT ALL in heavy going
Normally guns can move as per
Some heavier weapons, particularly wheeled antiโ€tank guns or infantry guns, may be
manhandled by their crews. Light guns may be moved normally with 2D6. Medium guns may be
moved normally with 2D6 but with the lower dice rolled discarded. Heavy guns may be moved
normally with 2D6 but with the higher dice rolled discarded. In both cases a roll of a โ€œdoubleโ€ will
see one D6 discarded.


Pretty generous in my opinion for medium and heavy guns
However the OP also mentioned for vehicle movement
p 51
Wheeled and partially tracked vehicles may not
move in Heavy Going.


So OP was asking should manhandled guns move at all in heavy going?
Not sure where the half infantry speed comes in to it?
Or where you being rhetorical?

FWIW the definition of heavy going is
Heavy Going: This would be heavy undergrowth,
rocky hillsides, crossing hedges, rubble or marsh.


I would like to see you push a 17 pdr over the hedge and through the marsh :lol: :D ;)

Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:46 am
by 7dot62mm
In my Winter War PSC all the guns are light ATG and infantry gun types. I looked at all the terrain types and limited movement of manhandled guns in some of them:

Road: If leave the road, become temporarily immobilized in shallow roadside ditch on roll of 6 on d6.

Finnish woods, new woods, felled woods: May be manhandled to 2" from the edge of the woods only (so that you can site your gun in woods)

Struggling woods: No limitations

Plowed fields: May be manhandled normally in direction of plow, otherwise at -1"

Ditch, Stream or Irrigation Canal: Impassable

Marsh: Impassable

Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:53 pm
by Truscott Trotter
Surely that depends on whether the ploughed field is frozen, in summer crop or autumn mud ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜†

Re: AT gun movement restrictions

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:12 pm
by 7dot62mm
Truscott Trotter wrote: โ†‘
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:53 pm
Surely that depends on whether the ploughed field is frozen, in summer crop or autumn mud ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜†
Yes, but in the Winter War the determination is sort of made for you. :D