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Western Desert Indian Army

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Many years ago I was given to review some Shellhole Scenics 20mm figures. They represented Indian infantry in the Western Desert. I painted a few up, submitted the review and then left the figures in a drawer, maybe to form the nucleus of a future project.

This week, bored with painting 18th century civilians in 28mm I decided to dust off the Indians and see how they would do for a Chain of Command platoon.

The problem with mixed turban types in a single platoon aside, the only issues I have with early WW2 use of these guys are:

1. The NCOs all have Stens,
2. There's no boys AT rifle in the Shellhole range, and
3. They came with a very nice model of a 3.7" Mountain Howitzer.

The Stens I'll live with for now. Maybe replace them with Tommy gun armed versions if I can source some later.

Does anyone know of a 20mm manufacturer who does Indian 8th Army types with Boys? Or alternatively does anyone sell separate Boys ATRs in 20mm?

Is the 3.7" a reasonable weapon to include as a CoC support choice? If so stats?

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A brief wikipedia search says it saw use in a wide variety of theaters, including N. Africa. Quite a large-caliber weapon for Chain of Command, but on the other hand one designed for flexibility. According to the article it was sometimes dismantled to be manually positioned in dense terrain, including into the upper floors of buildings, so on-table direct fire isn't out of the question.

The CoCulator gives 85-90mm guns a HE of 7 and 95-100mm guns a HE of 9. 3.7 inches falls at 94mm so HE 8 unless someone else knows more about the relative weight of the actual explosive charge. Don't know enough to comment on the AP effect.

Depending on the AP rating, the support cost would be 5-6.

You have the miniature, it'd be a shame not to use it... :twisted:

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Even if you don't put in on board, you can still use it as a reminder for 1st turn barrages. Just put it on your base edge for the first turn and then remove it when the turn ends.

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Presumably any 8th Army figures would do for your Boys and NCOs with Tommy guns? Indian troops wore tin hats too.

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Sgt's Mess offers a range of Sinks including a prone ARE team.
https://www.sgtsmess.co.uk/shop/figures ... fle-teams/

SHQ has 3 sets plus Gurkhas, each set has a figure advancing with an ATR in the HQ pack.
https://shqltd.com/product/command-inc- ... -boys-atr/

See next post for EWM

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Early War Miniatures offers prone ATR team.
https://earlywarminiatures.com/product/ ... fle-prone/
And a Thompson gunner.
https://earlywarminiatures.com/product/ ... chine-gun/

At one time I believe all three offered weapons packs and their Indian Army Ranges go beyond what's listed above

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Thanks guys! Lots of useful ideas there. Looks like I'm going to have a fun little force when I've finished painting.

Crazy of course to be painting WW2 in 20mm when I'm about to run Maximilian Adventure in 28mm for Virtual Lard but there's no accounting for wild surges of enthusiasm!

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Oh, that's interesting. I spotted that the Sgt Mess models have a bipod on the Boys. I'd only ever seen the T-shaped monopod version previously but apparently Canadian-built Mk1* models had the bipod.

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In plastic, Strelets have a set of Indian infantry and another for support weapons.

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Dan Talylor Modelworks do a nice set of Indian heads in a range of traditional headgear. Useful for converting those specialist figures.However, in the main, aside from Sikhs, tin hats were worn in combat AFAIK (but always very happy to be proved wrong), so I presume any Desert War/Mediterranean infantry would work for Indians.

One of my current obsessions is building a 1948 Indian Army. While the gear is basically British, they wore big boys' pants and shirtsleeves, so the desert types don't work nor do the battledress wearing ones. Happily ABs 'Tropical British' seem to tick all the boxes, so I am fervently hoping they will fill out the range with signals, command, engineering, artillery and the like.

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