German Mixed platoons and Senior Leaders

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3 Pz Div still had an old org which gave the 3rd platoon as 4 sections, each 1 222 and 1 221, total of 8 but only one Officer and 3 NCOs. Possible then to see 3 in almost any mix depending on the recce task. The 2nd platoon was 3 sections, all 221s. the 1st was the Heavy platoon, 3 sections, ea 1 x 231 and 1 x 232 (Fu), 1 Off & 2 NCOs. Again, almost any mix depending on the recce task.

So I refer back to my latest query - I am assuming that the SL can activate all of the other 3 vehicles with a radio message which could be to tell them to move or fire (each 1 CI). Therefore, the other 3 vehicles could fire or move and the SL would still have 1 or 2 CIs to use on his own vehicle depending on what he had told the other 3 vehicles under his command. Is this correct?

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poiter50 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:23 pm
So I refer back to my latest query - I am assuming that the SL can activate all of the other 3 vehicles with a radio message which could be to tell them to move or fire (each 1 CI). Therefore, the other 3 vehicles could fire or move and the SL would still have 1 or 2 CIs to use on his own vehicle depending on what he had told the other 3 vehicles under his command. Is this correct?
Already answered above, old chap:

"No, I don't think so. The SL has three CIs: he could, for example, use one to tell "Vehicle A" to move, a second CI to tell "Vehicle B" to move and then a third CI to tell his own driver to move."
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Re: German Mixed platoons and Senior Leaders

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As early as the Poland 1939 campaign photos indicate the Germans were using mixed platoons of armoured cars in the field - thus 222, 221 often with a solitary 223 with its square antenna. And you do occasionally see the odd 231 or 232 among them — either 6-Rad or 8-Rad. It’s fairly clear they went what they had available. I would allow almost any combination, especially later in the campaign, once losses began to bite.

Worth remembering that the 221 and 231 6-Rad were very underpowered compared with the 222 and the 231 8-Rad, and had significantly worse cross-country performance. In CoC I would definitely penalize them in heavier going, e.g. force them to throw for bogging, and perhaps reduce movement slightly.

One thing I’ve not seen are Kfz13 armoured cars in mixed formations, perhaps because they were regarded as semi-obsolete and tended to get allotted to 2nd+ wave type formations.

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poiter50 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:23 pm
So I refer back to my latest query - I am assuming that the SL can activate all of the other 3 vehicles with a radio message which could be to tell them to move or fire (each 1 CI).
No. Radio Command allows the SL to use a CI to activate a single position in another vehicle, not all other vehicles.

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Seret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:10 pm
Truscott Trotter wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:46 am
Morgan is correct.
Also IIRC the formation is 2x222 and 1 x221 as command?
The 1940 organisation had two types of light armoured car platoon. One had 6x 221, the other had 4x 221 and 4x 222. So three 221s and a 222 would be fine.
Yup was getting mixed up with 1941 KtSn
1938 gives the mixed Zug as 4 or each so I guess you could have 1, 2,3 or 4 pairs of 221 and 222
Have not found a KtSn for them for 1939 or 1940

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Thanks Seret, that answers my question.
Munin wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:11 pm
poiter50 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:23 pm
So I refer back to my latest query - I am assuming that the SL can activate all of the other 3 vehicles with a radio message which could be to tell them to move or fire (each 1 CI).
No. Radio Command allows the SL to use a CI to activate a single position in another vehicle, not all other vehicles.

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Re: German Mixed platoons and Senior Leaders

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Ideally (i.e. if you own the model), should one of the 221's be replaced by a 223? Just a thought.

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Although it would look cool I believe the 223's belonged to the Nachrichtenzug (signals platoon) and were used to communicate to higher command levels not between armoured cars

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TT has it correct.

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poiter50 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:34 am
TT has it correct.
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