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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:04 pm
by Novista
Truscott Trotter wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:49 am
I would not rate any marines as elite but would consider them as stubborn and aggressive regulars. Even those in Stalingrad.
Not wanting to clog the CoCulator thread with possibly shot arithmetic, but how do I go about factoring in aggressive and stubborn (are they the same thing) pointwise as the only indicator I can find from rich is to do with “lunatics” and British paras (who I assume are ‘elite’”). Edit. Found it, my search fu is rubbish!
Also when I tot up the points for the CoC Soviet Union 1941 pdf it comes out at 118 points = +5 (+4 on list) where as I get German 41 list correct 103 = +3.

Sov.
HQ
SL = 9
SL (junior) = 6

Mortar team
50mm mortar = 3, 4 crew & rifles = 4

Squad x 4
JL = 6
DP28 & 2 crew = 6
Nine rifles = 9
Rifle grenadier (same as VB?) = 3

Just want to confirm i’ve got the above right?

Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:11 pm
by bob696
I would highly recommend "Blood on the Shores" by victor leonov. It has been a few years since I read it TBH but would make ideal CoC scenarios as it deals with 'commando raids' on occupied northern Norway and moves on to the pacifc in 1945.
If I remember correctly (I really must dig it out again) these soviet 'commandos' were just sailors who were given SMGs and no special training.

In the bad old days of me playing FoW I did do some research and somewhere I do have some rather good books but I have no idea which box they got put so this is going to be working from memory.

As I understand it the soviets had no 'marines' as we would understand them to be. Reference in western books often miss translate 'morskaya' as 'marine' where it is closer to 'naval'

morskaya strelkovy (Naval Rifles) were naval personnel that were surplus to requirements by the navy and reassigned to the army. They formed divisional size units supplied and under the control of the army. They do not appear to have been that much better than normal troops

morskaya Pekhota (Naval Infantry). Controlled and equipped by the navy.At the start of the war there was only a single brigade. They had no specialist training or equipment. This was expanded up to (I think) 42 Brigades plus a lot of independent companies and battalions by stripping shore batteries, port garrisons, naval academies and beached crew. There were a huge variety in other land based troops though .... naval ski troops ... railway guns ...armoured trains.... As the war progressed a fair few of the Naval Infantry units were transferred to being under army control and renamed Naval rifles.

Then there were the sailors who were in the wrong place at the wrong time who were given a rifle and a few bullets and told to shoot germans/rumanians who were coming down the street

Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:29 pm
by Tomm
Does anyone use the 'Diehard' rule?

One for Pavlov perhaps

Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:34 pm
by Truscott Trotter
Not that I aware of but yes Pavlov or the defenders at Brest-Litowsk would be appropriate.

It is hard costing out special rules I am looking at teying to make a rule for the Japanese that reflects their determination to complete a mission at all costs but not making them the cartoon supermen that some rules do.

Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:35 pm
by Tomm
See rule 14.10.

"Ignore all the effects of shock. In close combat count as aggressive. "