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CDS Questions

Post by GavinP » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:13 pm

Posting here in more hope than expectation given this forum seems dead. Tried posting to the Yahoo group but I can't see it despite it saying it had posted...?

Last night we played our first Charlie Don’t Surf having played a bit of IABSM v3 and I was struck by some of the differences. (Some of those might be my misreading/misinterpreting the rules). We also had a number of questions come up to which I couldn’t find ready answers although they might be in the rules somewhere.



1) The US Medic per platoon. I ruled that this guy could be attached to any of the platoons units and would move with them or could move independently using 3D6 on the platoon card. He could only perform his medic actions (dealing with critical wounds or removing shock) on the Medic card. Is this correct?

2) In the game the VC player had 2 platoons of troops, and 4 blinds, 2 real, 2 dummy. Since they can use any terrain to deploy hidden, I ruled that the troops could be spread out. Concievably if every unit chose to move, that would have created more blinds than the 2 real ones they had access to. Is this correct?

3) When spotting, can a Big Man use additional command initiative to increase his chances like Squads can with Action Dice?

4) On the subject of spotting, it seems almost impossible for the FWF to ever spot stationary VC in heavy or worse terrain, even when almost on top of them, even if using all their actions to do so. While this may be accurate, it doesn’t make for a hugely interesting game in our extremely limited 1 session experience. Are we missing something?

5) One of the differences between CDS and IABSM is in the handling of Pins and Suppressions, with both just disappearing from units on the Time Out card in CDS. What was the rationale behind this, vs the IABSM degradation of Suppression -> Pin mechanism?

6) Another difference between CDS and IABSM is that the Time Out card only goes into the deck when there has been firing. This removes some of the friction when one side or others blinds card doesn’t come up in the early game, and also means that any Suppression/Pin inflicted in the first turn of firing lasts another whole turn. Is that intentional?

7) The VC sprang an ambush on the US troops when they advanced within 9” in some Heavy terrain of a hidden unit. This same unit then fired again the next turn, is this also classed as an ambush since the unit is represented by a fire marker only? I ruled that it was.

8) A Poor Fire Discipline card came up while a unit of VC Guerrillas was represented by a fire marker. Since these were not yet spotted and were closest to the enemy, I determined that this was the unit that should be affected by the ruling. (This was the unit above!)

9) Can units that are suppressed, reserve action dice on their platoon card in case they can be rallied by a Big Man later?

10) How would you adjudicate which column/row of the fire table US troops firing at a bunker that was situated in heavy terrain were on, if they were 9” away and rolled a 13? Ordinarily it’s a close range shot that’s poor, but I wasn’t sure whether a bunker should be a column shift right so poor at effective, or a negative modifier to the roll, or indeed both? Bunkers were notoriously hard to deal with and short of a LAW (which another squad were attempting – with no success over several rounds) I’m not sure how effective return small arms fire would be?

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Re: CDS Questions

Post by Archdukek » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:59 pm

Hi Gavin,
I don't play CDS so can't comment on the specific rules questions, but I would simply observe that they were written some time ago and certainly before IABSM version 3 was released. Indeed the concepts in them were developed by TFL quite early on. I haven't checked but you may find that they have more in common with IABSM 2 or Troops, Weapons and Tactics than with IABSM 3.

On your final question about bunkers, for particular difficult targets in IABSM you would make a column shift or even two to the right and add a penalty if necessary. It's a matter of judgement as to how difficult a target it is. So your instincts are sound.

John

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Re: CDS Questions

Post by GavinP » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:24 pm

Thanks John. I had another go at posting on the Yahoo group and it seems to not have swallowed it this time. I hate Yahoo groups because they're so flaky and not very user friendly but there seems to be a large number of participants there that aren't here!

Thanks for the pointer. My CDS was dated 2010 and my IABSM v3 2011 so they seemed relatively contemporary. It's difficult to determine if the differences are "improvements" or deliberate changes for a reason.

With column shifts, I'm wary that with only 3 columns, you quickly lose the ability to modify as the range to target increases. I've often wished someone would publish an IABSM "interpreting the fire table" guide as to how they would adjudicate a number of common scenarios beyond the soft cover, hard cover type basics.

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Re: CDS Questions

Post by Archdukek » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:40 pm

Hi Gavin,
My understanding is that CDS was a long time in gestation and indeed the original draft rules predated the first publication of IABSM, so the relatively contemporary publication dates are a little misleading. Why Rich made the changes only he can say.

Hopefully you will get an answer on the Yahoo Group where, as you say, there seems to be more CDS players. Not everyone in that Group liked the new fangled Forum when it was introduced preferring the anarchy of Yahoo. Don't know why. I'm a member of both and the Facebook Group. :-)

John

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