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bellebsc
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No help??

Post by bellebsc » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:29 am

Seriously can no one help with my Spanish query

DCRBrown
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Re: No help??

Post by DCRBrown » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:34 pm

See the GdeB site :P

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Re: No help??

Post by DCRBrown » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:36 pm

Copied to this forum as well.

Not an easy one to answer given the paucity of information on Spanish battalion strength found in the English language sources.

But just looking through Oman, we have an average Spanish Division numbering about 8-10,000 men during 1809.

E.G. la Carrera's Division has, I think, 14 battalions plus a battery and numbered 7,400 men. So if we call it 7,300, losing 100 for the artillery that equates to just over 500 per battalion.

But if some of the regiments consisted of two battalions as opposed to one, which is probably more realistic, then we are at say 18 battalions, which equates to just over 400 per battalion, which IMHO, seems about right.

Other sources vary wildly across the web.
E.G. One internet wargame site states that the 1st Division from the Battle of Ocana had 7,700 and 9 battalions. Now even if we lose 700 for artillery, etc, that still leaves each battalion at nearly 800 men....not a figure that seems credible across the board for every battalion! I have seen other orders of battle from various websites that show extremely large numbers per battalion for the Spanish, which, unless they were freshly raised levies, I just can't see how these are accurate.

Another site portrays de Portaga's Division at Talavera as: the below, but doesn't state the source.
· IR de Badajoz 519
· IR de Badajoz 546
· Batallon de Trujillo 405
· Bttn Vol. de Antequera 557
· Imperial de Toledo 792
· Provincial de Badajoz 577
· Provincial de Guadix 562
· IR de Osuna 377
· IR de Osuna 381

Again, IMHO, these seem high returns, especially if you compare their strength to say, the main French Division, whose battalions were on average around 500 or so.

So, to answer your question, I would suggest that barring good evidence to the contrary most Spanish battalions, (say two-thirds?) from 1808 to 1811 should be small. The remainder as Standard.

DB
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bellebsc
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Re: No help??

Post by bellebsc » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:53 am

You are absoulety right that the spanish are very hard to source for accurate btn strength.

Thank you for getting me some info and as it's come from the master of the rules I'm happy to apply your knowledge to my basing of the spanish army. 😁😁😁

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