Sdkfz 222

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by oozeboss » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:26 am

Seret wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:50 am
Crew went up from 2 to 3 men and a lot of them got a bigger engine, too.
At my age, I'd like a bigger engine too. (Was this something to do with the chemical stimulants that those Shabby Nazis often imbibed?) :roll:
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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Seret » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:50 am

I don't think the shabby Nazis had those little blue pills did they?
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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by batesmotel34 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:44 pm

Truscott Trotter wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:34 pm
Really?

I didn't know that I knew the turrets were slightly different and in a different spot on the chassis but IIRC the Rubicon kit comes with options for both?

In the end I went with the resin Blitzkreig 222 as it was on sale.

I figured I would use the 222 more than the 221 over the years
The Rubicon kit option is for the command version 223 which used surplus 221 turrets. Probably not too many people would object to proxying that for a 221 at any rate.

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Captain W Martin » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:32 pm

^^
Good to know, will check the lists.

It was a cracking support option for the scenario....lots of open ground to cross!

I know its all about keeping it simple but with these light armoured vehicles I think they falling between the cracks a little bit and are oddly a bit OP, off the top of my head I would favour:

All weapons having an AP of 1 a close range on anything with 2< armour or similar..... I'm sure .303 ball would be worrying in a 222 at these ranges, I know you can use LMG's at close range but it needs a bit of a buff I think.

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Contrarius » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:08 am

So, did anyone notice the SdKfz 221 has a two-man crew, a driver and a commander-gunner. That makes it a 1-Man-Turret, with all the wonderful penalties that go with it. :mrgreen:

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Truscott Trotter » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:46 am

But according to p 22 of the BK book on small turrets
For some light vehicles, such as those armed with a single machine gun or self-loading cannon, this was not a problem. However, for vehicles
with a gun capable of firing H.E. and A.P. shells the commander was severely over-worked and this affected the performance of the entire crew.


So I do not believe this would affect the 221 or some other armoured cars

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by batesmotel34 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:16 pm

The Sdkfz 221 is not listed as a 1MT in the 1940 Handbook, confirming TTs answer.

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Jiefu » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:00 pm

Interesting comment by rich on gembloux gap video. To answer the original question, he says sourcebook value holds precedent for specific era lists. So sdkfz222 is worth 4 in 1940 France, but probably 5 as per coculator in other lists although not specified.

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Truscott Trotter » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:40 am

Yes PSC support levels are sometimes adjusted by Rich to reflect historical availability and use.

However, the original question was regarding the value in the main rule book and the charcteristic of small vs the CA and the BK handbook.

I would have expected the sourcebook to follow the main rule book arsenal charcterustics unless there is a revision in which case there should be an errata for the main rulebook, no?

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Re: Sdkfz 222

Post by Truscott Trotter » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:21 am

Main rule book Support Level 6
SdKfz 222 2 4 6 Wheeled Open turret, turret MG only, small

BK book Support Level 4
SdKfz 222 2 3 6 Wheeled Co-axial MG Small Low Profile

Consol Arsenal entry Support Level 5
SdKfz 222 2 3 6 Wheeled Co-axial MG Small Low Profile Open turret

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