Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

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Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by sjwalker51 » Fri May 17, 2019 9:33 pm

Just seen the new 1/72 model from EWM (and another one on Shapeways): are there any stats for it anywhere and how can I justify using it with my 1940 Belgians?

I understand there were 12 vehicles used by 2 units of Feldgendarmerie, who also had motorcycle sections and other fun stuff - anyone got the orbat and uniform information for them please?

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Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri May 17, 2019 9:38 pm

Sounds like an interesting project....

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by 7dot62mm » Sat May 18, 2019 4:01 am

If you have the real-life stats for this vehicle I'm sure we can come up with CoC stats.

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by Capt Fortier » Sat May 18, 2019 4:52 am

The following site may be helpful for Belgian military police: http://18daagseveldtocht.be/rijkswacht/ ... ostdienst/

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by sjwalker51 » Sat May 18, 2019 9:00 am

https://www.quartermastersection.com/fr ... erlietVUDB

Seems to have all the info that we need for the vehicle. Used by French in North Africa as well it seems. All suggestions very welcome and thanks for the links so far .

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by sjwalker51 » Sat May 18, 2019 12:10 pm

Seems the 2 Rijkswacht units were based at Antwerp and Liege, each consisting of:

2 motorcycle Squadrons
1 support Squadron with MGs and C47 ATG
1 Armoured Platoon with VUDB and T13s
1 Engineer Platoon
1 Signals Platoon

But I haven’t yet found a full TO&E for them.

I’ve also seen a reference to the Belgians using some Marmon Herrington Armoured Cars in 1940?

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by Munin » Sat May 18, 2019 3:48 pm

Capt Fortier wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:52 am
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Look at all those double-breasted leather jackets and jackboots! Was Hugo Boss also designing uniforms for the Belgian MPs?

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by sjwalker51 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:16 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by Groupe_Franc » Sun May 19, 2019 5:45 am

With their black leather jackets and motorcycle boots. Or am I too old. (I'm a Francophile so am not interested in Belgian issues).

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Re: Berliet VUDB personnel carrier?

Post by 7dot62mm » Mon May 20, 2019 6:56 am

My suggestions for stats using May 2015 CoCulator (is there a newer one?):

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Berliet VUDB (Voiture de Prise de Contact)

Armor: 1 (+1 rating)
AP: n/a
Main armament anti-infantry (HE): LMG (+4 rating)
Secondary armament: LMG (+1 rating)
Speed: Fast (+1 rating)
Size: Small (+1 rating)
Carries a Team of 6 men: (+1 rating)
Total Rating: 9
Support Points: 3

It seems to me the armament is composed of two separate LMGs each in a firing slit (one LMG seems to stick out of the rearmost right side firing slit), not a dual LMG setup. Due to its small magazine capacity the FM 24/29 is rated in infantry use as a 6 firepower weapon when fully crewed, but only at 3 when crewed by just one man. The page on the AFV does not detail how many men could crew the guns in the cramped spaces available. Looking at the picture I think you’d have one LMG gunner firing towards the front without any possibility to be supported by a loader unless the vehicle is stationary in which case the driver could assist as a loader. Therefore I’d say 3 dice firepower while moving slowly (halved to 1 while moving fast as per rules section 11.2), 6 while stationary. When firing out of the side or rear firing slits I think the LMG could be fully crewed, resulting in 6 firepower while stationary or moving slowly, and 3 while moving fast.

There seems to be no radio so use the Lacking Radio rule in the 1940 Handbook p.22.

As this is a French vehicle from 1929 you could probably also implement the Unreliable Vehicles rule in the 1940 Handbook p.22.

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