Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by BaronVonWreckedoften » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:33 am

dalemunk wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:42 pm
Well, Airfix (the old stuff definitely) is really 1/76. I'm using SHQ and EWM with my 1/72 and have never seen issues. SHQ crew fits nicely in/to my Hasegawa, new Airfix, Academy, S-models and other 1/72 jeeps (British paras).
As I recall, airfix tanks/vehicles were 1/76, but their figures were 1/72.
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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by Wulf » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:06 pm

BaronVonWreckedoften wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:33 am
As I recall, airfix tanks/vehicles were 1/76, but their figures were 1/72.
The newer figures are marked 1/72, but the old ones were marked as 1/76. What they ACTUALLY measured to I can't say...

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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by BaronVonWreckedoften » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:35 pm

I think the original sets (Guards Band, Guards Colour Party, etc etc) were actually marked HO/OO which is a hybrid (HO being 1:87 and OO being 1/76) - I can certainly recall that on the very first boxes I purchased. Then, as you say, they went to 1/76, then finally to 1/72. I'm told even their genuine 1/72 stuff is still slightly smaller than everyone else's!
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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by NTM » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:57 pm

SteveBurt wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:23 pm
Aside from SHQ, Skytrex have a (rather overpriced) selection covering A9, A10 and such like.
Skytrex sold their 20mm WWII vehicle range to Early War Miniatures a few years ago.

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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by Contrarius » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:00 pm

BaronVonWreckedoften wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:35 pm
I think the original sets (Guards Band, Guards Colour Party, etc etc) were actually marked HO/OO which is a hybrid (HO being 1:87 and OO being 1/76) - I can certainly recall that on the very first boxes I purchased. Then, as you say, they went to 1/76, then finally to 1/72. I'm told even their genuine 1/72 stuff is still slightly smaller than everyone else's!
H0/00 is a hybrid scale but only in so far as it refers to railway modelling. HO equals Halb O = half of O scale, which was the original German railway standard. HO is 1/87. OO was a purely British railway scale equivalent to 1/76. Now, British railway modellers favoured OO scale rolling stock but on HO scale (ie gauge) tracks, for compatibility with German track. Hence the hybrid scale of HO/OO, which was utterly meaningless when applied to armoured vehicles and figures since these did not include any railway track.

Eventually Airfix dropped the HO part and the models were referred to as just '00 scale'. Because aircraft modelling had in the meantime fixed on 1/72 as its standard, Airfix - in order to suggest compatibility - began referring to its AFVs and figures as 1/72. To this day Airfix continues to promiscuously use this term to cover these kits and figure packs, which are in fact almost all 1/76 scale despite what is stated on the box.
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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by Contrarius » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:07 pm

I should add that some Airfix '00' figures are larger than others. The British paras I'm pretty sure are 1/72, while the original WW2 German and British infantry packs were 1/76 if not smaller.
For Napoleonics there's a collossal difference between the tiny French Cuirassiers and the monstrous British Hussars.

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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by BaronVonWreckedoften » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:33 pm

Contrarius wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:07 pm
For Napoleonics there's a collossal difference between the tiny French Cuirassiers and the monstrous British Hussars.
Yes, always made me chuckle that their "gros freres" were bigger than the "light" cavalry!
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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by Contrarius » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:55 pm

BaronVonWreckedoften wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:33 pm
Contrarius wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:07 pm
For Napoleonics there's a collossal difference between the tiny French Cuirassiers and the monstrous British Hussars.
Yes, always made me chuckle that their "gros freres" were bigger than the "light" cavalry!
Just yesterday bought some Zvezda French cuirassiers to bulk out my armies. My word, they're truly beautiful in comparison.

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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by NTM » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:33 am

If you look closely there is often a difference in the size of figures within a box. Those downscaled from 1/35 tend to be larger than those made specifically in HO/OO.

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Re: Availability of 1/72 low tier vehicles, especially starter tanks

Post by SteveBurt » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:12 am

The old Airfix 'infantry combat group' figures were tiny - more like 1:87 scale. They worked with the Roco figures in that scale.

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