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Duc de limbourg
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french revolution

Post by Duc de limbourg » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:17 pm

I wondered if it is possible to game the french revolution with General d'armee. How to portray eg the infantry in grande bandes?

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Re: french revolution

Post by Archdukek » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:02 am

Yes, I don't see any reason why not. The rules allow for the creation of brigade skirmish screens with contributions from each battalion in the Brigade and the reinforcement of that screen by deploying whole battalions as skirmishers. These mechanisms could be easily applied to create grande bandes.

The rules also allow better quality light infantry to deploy as skirmishers and subsequently reform as close order troops, but I would be disinclined to allow early French Revolutionary Wars units that flexibility.

There are also optional rules for the classification of troop types which can be used to bring more historical flavour to the game for that period such as the use of Enthusiastic Conscripts for the French.

John

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Re: french revolution

Post by Duc de limbourg » Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:16 pm

John,
Thanks for the reply.
I am reading through the rules on this moment so i am very new to these.
What i noticed up to now is that there is afaik no option for a kind of open order which grandes bandes in fact is. On the other hand, recruits are not allowed to skirmish so theres no option.

I agree that volunteers etc can't skirmish as this is a specialised task whuch volunteers cannot cope with.So using volunteers battalions to reinforce skirmish lines is not the method imho.
I still cannot see how french revolution can be played with these.
Jan

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Re: french revolution

Post by Duc de limbourg » Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:16 pm

John,
Thanks for the reply.
I am reading through the rules on this moment so i am very new to these.
What i noticed up to now is that there is afaik no option for a kind of open order which grandes bandes in fact is. On the other hand, recruits are not allowed to skirmish so theres no option.

I agree that volunteers etc can't skirmish as this is a specialised task whuch volunteers cannot cope with.So using volunteers battalions to reinforce skirmish lines is not the method imho.
I still cannot see how french revolution can be played with these.
Jan

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Re: french revolution

Post by Archdukek » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:29 pm

Hi Jan,
I think it's probably fair to say that the focus of the rules is on the period when Napoleon was actively in command and they may need tweaking a little to reflect the tactics of the early Revolutionary Wars. DB may have views on that. :)

There is in fact no restriction upon recruits contributing to brigade skirmish screens, nor on recruit battalions being deployed into Skirmish Order and reinforcing the Brigade Skirmish Line, though they do deduct a base compared to a line unit. (See "Reinforcing the Brigade Skirmish Line" on page 67.) The only limiting factor which I can see is the restriction on the size of the Brigade Skirmish screen to 9 bases which might need to be tweaked if you wanted to deploy a whole Demi-brigade in this way, though I doubt that is really necessary.

There are restrictions on recruit quality Light Battalions being able to deploy into Skirmish Order and act independently of the Brigade Skirmish Line as set out on page 68 which I think is what you are referring to. I think we are agreed that this more sophisticated skirmish role is beyond the capabilities of most volunteer units.

My knowledge of the early Revolutionary Wars is limited. My understanding of Grande Bandes is that whole battalions were deployed "en debandade", that is broken down into skirmishers with little regard to maintaining any kind of close order reserve which I think is what you can achieve using the Brigade Skirmish screen mechanism. However, your understanding of what operating "en Grandes Bandes" means is clearly different.

Perhaps if you could elaborate on how you see Grandes Bandes working we could consider how that might be accommodated within the rules.

John

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