Closing to Melee

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mike_k_h
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Closing to Melee

Post by mike_k_h » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:20 am

Hi,
On p49, part 14. 'Closing to Melee' says that flank supports 'close to melee... can actually reach...'.
How far can these flank supports move?

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by DCRBrown » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:22 pm

M,

Supports can move their full charge move from the start of the charge.

Occasionally if a charge is only just in reach of the target, any flank supports that are echeloned may not be able to make it into melee. (Or of course, there is no actual enemy to contact!).

DB

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by mike_k_h » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:23 pm

Ok so the supports - who maintain their relative position to the charging unit - need to have enough movement 'left over', from the charge move, to contact enemy? (or more importantly the players need to make a mental note of the amount left?).c And does this movement have to be without wheeling or any 'slip-sliding' left and right?

Sorry to labour this but I don't quite get it for the more complex, perhaps corner case , charge and melee situations.

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by Archdukek » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:55 pm

Hi Mike,
Support units have to maintain their position relative to the lead unit so if the lead unit uses some or all of its charge bonus to wheel then the support units can do the same. Thereafter the charge has to be in a straight line (point 2 on page 40) so no slip sliding.

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by m1kel » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:19 pm

But if the supports are not level with the charging unit when they start off, they can't make contact. That is they can't move further than the charger otherwise they wouldn't be maintaining their position would they???

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by DCRBrown » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:20 pm

Re: That is they can't move further than the charger otherwise they wouldn't be maintaining their position would they???

They maintain their respective positions until the 5cm [3"] point where the charge is resolved. If they gain a close to melee result or better and they have sufficient charge move left (i.e. at least another 5cm [3"]), they can close to melee, with the enemy target unit or flank support providing it can be contacted by moving straight ahead.

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by thomalley » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:27 am

So once at that 5cm mark, with the supports on either side, can the defender declare a charge on one (or if in under assault orders) both supports as long as you don't use the original target in the counter attack.

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by Archdukek » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:57 am

thomalley wrote:So once at that 5cm mark, with the supports on either side, can the defender declare a charge on one (or if in under assault orders) both supports as long as you don't use the original target in the counter attack.
No I don't believe so because you have moved beyond the charge declaration phase for either side. The sequence for the charge phase is set out most clearly on page 26 then repeated under Charge Procedure on page 36.. Having moved and attached any Generals to units as required on both sides:
1) the phasing player declares his charges and the non phasing player states his unit's reaction;
2) the non phasing player then declares all his charges and the phasing player states his reactions.

Only once all charges have been declared does the phasing player carry out and resolve the charge procedure for his units as set out on page 44. By the time the attacker has moved to the 5cm mark it is too late for the defender to declare a charge, his opponent has used the initiative to press on with his attacks which must be resolved to completion.

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by DCRBrown » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:03 am

That's correct - you can only declare a charge at the beginning of the charge phase.

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Re: Closing to Melee

Post by thomalley » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:07 pm

Maybe better, as the second "declarer" I can charge any unit that is not already been declared as a primary charger provide the unit I use is not a target already. A1 declares against B1 with A2 and A3 in support. Then B charge A2 and A3 with B4 and B5 respectively, as long as another unit hasn't been declared against them (Them being B4 and B5).

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