1940 Handbook questions / erratas

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Re: 1940 Handbook questions / erratas

Post by Peter » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:31 pm

The KVs and the T34 may have been unexpected, but there were still lots of lighter tanks. I have been told by several people that the 37mm door-knocker was retained by some units throughout the war, so troops clearly didn't only take weapons that could defeat the best the enemy had - defeating what was often met would be better than nothing.

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Re: 1940 Handbook questions / erratas

Post by bob696 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:45 pm

The soviets used huge numbers of ATR right up to the end of the war (although I think later on they were used mainly as 'anti-material' rifles and against bunkers)

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Re: 1940 Handbook questions / erratas

Post by Truscott Trotter » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:25 am

There were a few PzB 35/38 around many more PzB 39 plus a few captured Polish ones by 1904
1,408 PzB 38 rifles were built in 1939 and 1940 at the Gustloff Werke plant
568 PzB 39 were used by the German army in the invasion of Poland; two years later, at the beginning of the war against the USSR, 25,298 PzB 39 were in use by German troops. Total production from March 1940 to November 1941, when production ceased, was 39,232 rifles.

So I would say there would be enough for most front line Divisions in 1940 to have at least the 3 per company - certainly enough to justify including in the support lists if not the standard plt org (they were held at company level on paper)
From Wiki

From The Anti-Tank Rifle By Steven J. Zaloga
Production of the PzB 39 started in March 1940 and 9,645 were completed by the years end.

So if you add that to the 1,400 PzB 38's?

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Re: 1940 Handbook questions / erratas

Post by Arlequín » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:26 am

As production of anything starts slow and then ramps up as folk get used to doing it, how many would be with units in May if production only began in March?

Blokes then have to learn the weapon inside out, just so they can train other blokes how to use it and teach others.

It's certainly not a case of running a couple of thousand off over two months, chucking them on a train and throwing them off at the frontline.

Ammo production can be problematic too. It wouldn't be the first weapon sat in stores waiting for ammo production problems to be ironed out, if that was the case.

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Re: 1940 Handbook questions / erratas

Post by Truscott Trotter » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:29 am

No they wouldn't as its the same as the atr they have been using since 1937

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Re: 1940 Handbook questions / erratas

Post by andysyk » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:11 pm

Id say if every German Squad Leader has an SMG (there was a shortage of MP in the German Army until 1941)and the British can get Thompsons (there were a total of 6 or 7 in the First BEF) then maybe ATR should be on the German support lists.

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