Chaco War (1932-35)

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Chaco War (1932-35)

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Gents,

I am considering a Chaco War project for CoC.

The German influence in Bolivia is obvious but the French (I believe) influenced the Paraguayans AFAIK...can anyone confirm?

I guess the next question is what manuals would be the most relevant? Given the war was from ‘32-‘35 then how recent would they have been? For the Germans I guess the manual would be based on the 1921/23 regulations, themselves a portent of the later and widely acknowledged Truppenführung. It appears Gen.Kundt trained the Bolivian army in 1924+, from the initial mission of the 1911, so the regulations of 1921/23 would make sense as to what the ‘modernised and expanded’ Bolivian army would be using…does that sound right to you?

"After the end of World War I, the Reichswehr, under the direction of General Hans von Seeckt, very carefully studied the conduct and developments of the war. The result of the von Seeckt reforms was the new tactical doctrine manual H. Dv.487, Führung und Gefecht der verbundenen Waffen ("Command and Battle of the Combined Arms"), now generally known as das Fug, published as Part 1 in 1921 and Part 2 in 1923.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truppenf%C3%BChrung

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... s_Army.pdf

ON THE PLATOON
"357. The infantry attack begins with the advance of the light infantry arms under protection of artillery and heavy infantry weapons

Note - Each Infantry Co. consists of three platoons, each platoon of three groups, each group, 16 men, 1 LMG, “

The Bolivians seem to appear to use a three squad platoon structure. This would align with what we understand to be the Bolivian platoon organisation AFAIK ie three sections/squads per platoon….but I cannot be sure. At the end of WW1 the German platoon structure was two Rifle and LMG groupes…so the three platoon structure seems to have changed post WW1 and certainly by the time of Truppenführung.




For the Paraguayans, I suppose (?) they use the French organisation - their army being formed in 1931. The French TOE didn’t change much from WW1 and the structure is as below. However, these include the V-B launcher and I haven’t read that the Paraguayans used such weapons…so maybe they were dropped from this organisation adn it was just riflemen and the LMG.

French Platoon c.1935.
It would look like the OB Arlequin and I did for The Abyssinian Crisis French...but minus the VB grenade launchers.

https://abyssiniancrisis.wordpress.com/ ... -infantry/


…and then off course there is the cavalry organisation.



Any thoughts you have in relation to the above would be much appreciated.

Regards

R
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...yes it is a bit obscure isn't it....

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Obscure but interesting. And challenging.

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Obscure but interesting.

Yes. It is a bit. But we are very well served as wargamers with a few excellent titles that give us enough to flesh out what was going on in the Chaco in 1932-35.

For a good online look check out...with translator...
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_del_Chaco



This is the best book....
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Qy ... &q&f=false

...and the other excellent title is free here...
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.110926


Combined with Adrian English’s book...with the excellent gamer’s guff...you have plenty to go on.

It’s World War One attacks in all their forms, probing cavalry attacks, flanking assaults, desperate defences, desperate charges, on-table close range artillery support, vital mission based objective attacks, infantry, LMGs, Mortars, Vickers tanks, Carden-Loyds and biplane aerial attacks....all mixed in with some interesting characters to boot...quite a cast...

This is an infantry war and that is quite the topic that, IMO, lends itself well to tabletop play if infantry tactical rules are your choice of play aka Chain of Command…this is the stuff of table top clashes that fits the bill rather nicely…

Clashes in desert, arid, savannah and jungle terrain all set up interesting possibilities. It was a very large and hard fought conflict setting up many potential types of game scenarios or small linked campaign defined objectives…get to that water hole or lose!!! CoC WW1 blended with CoC interwar is where it’s at....something different...


And challenging.

It is...but... I’ve been doing some good research and I’m talking to THE current author who digs down into this stuff and we are nutting out the platoon structures that make these armies a bit unique...

Adrian's book from Caliver is the one to get...he's the guy!..but get the.second edition, not the earlier Spellmount book 'Green Hell'. He gets down to the nuts and bolts...the stuff you want and the second edition is much expanded.

https://www.caliverbooks.com/Partizan%2 ... oWar.shtml
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...there’s something different here for your two platoons of infantry you’d need to game this topic...quite a small buy in to get a lot of interesting interwar gaming done.

...rest assured, your interwar gaming with CoC will be something different like my co authored Abyssinian Crisis and Spanish Civil War lists.... ;)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OCgty ... pu20iNigst

https://abyssiniancrisis.wordpress.com/ ... roduction/

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He has a couple of articles about the respective armies online and seems to know his stuff, so definitely a good 'go to guy'.

I wouldn't anticipate too much armour though, not only was it few and far between, but the heat was often so unbearable that the crews had to abandon their vehicles for most of the day.

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Adrian is vey good on the military side of things...what we need...reminds me of one J.Hale actually 😉

‘Not too much armour’

There is bugger all really...BUT on table, you only need one Vickers then don’t you...this ain’t Flames of War! However the Carden-Loyd did see real action as did the twin turret Vickers..so they are legit....and I already have them from Abyssinia 😉

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https://abyssiniancrisis.wordpress.com/ ... kers-tank/

...it’s all about infantry...CoC country....

...and the interwar armour and artillery rules are perfect and appropriate....👍

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Nice paint job 😎

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What scale are you going with?

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28mm.

Orinoco Miniatures


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..thanks Truscott

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