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I was looking to play The Bridge at Saindoux scenario from this years summer special but it calls for a Royal Marine Commando list and even though I've looked in all the usual places I can't find one.

Anybody know if it exists and if so where it's located?

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I cant remember seeing one anywhere for that. I am working on a commando half-pint campaign for Port en Bessin but it's stalled for the moment. you can find lists that might be of use to you here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p9nijco31ehll ... .docx?dl=0

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I have got one if you want to pm your email I will send you a copy?

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There have been a few posted here at various times. Do a bit of a search but you can get started with this lot and pick your period of the war:

1939-40 Commandos
1942 & 43 Commandos
1944 Commandos
More 1944 Commandos

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Found this in the scenario text:
A note on the British orbat. Great variety existed
amongst the establishment of Commando teams, so the
British player has the ability to split his men as sections
or as individual teams. We recommend the commando
sections comprise a rifle section and a bren team.


Sounds like a standard 1942 infantry section with an extra bren team?

Although the scenario is described as fictional there were 2 separate commando actions that took place either side of the Dieppe landing iirc that are largely ignored when authors refer to that particular cockup.

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Just finished reading an account of these they were the only successes of the day - Lord Lovets finest moment.
Interesting bit was the Commando use of Boys ATR to suppress guns with gunsheilds in the fortifications

BtW by D-day the Coandos had a veey set structure just like other troops. Sure they could form ad-hoc teams for specialised tasks but they can be covered by the existing rules for this IMO

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I thought the commandos on D-Day were organised to fit into LCA's hence the Troop, Section, Subsection organisation with a single troop fitting into a single LCA? I might be getting mixed up with the Scheldt/Walcheren action (which reads like something out of a James Bond film...). From 'Omaha to the Scheldt' certainly mentions the Troop organisation being used at Port-en-Bessain with particular 'Troops' being responsible for specific tasks.

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From the now defunct Bayonet Strength website

"Assault Troop - here's where things become clouded.  There are two distinct versions of  Troop organisation varying between 60 and 66 men.  The smaller unit is generally ascribed to the Royal Marine Commando, particularly to the Normandy landings of 1944.  The larger Troop is detailed for the Army Commando during the Mediterranean campaign of 1943.  It may be that the Royal Marines adopted a different organisation, while the Army Commando continued with the previous one.  Equally it is just, if not more likely, that the officially sanctioned organisation was heavily amended by both types of units for the D-Day operations.  Both options are therefore detailed below.  

HQ comprised of the Troop Commander, a Captain, and Sergeant Major.  The officer's batman acted as a runner, and there was also a stretcher bearer and attached RAMC nursing orderly.  Two men were detailed to act as gunners for the two 2-inch mortars, and no less than three men served the single PIAT.  

The two Sections each comprised of a Subaltern and Sergeant at HQ, with two Sub-Sections, each with a Lance Sergeant, Corporal and eleven men.  The Troop also had four Bren guns, undoubtedly one per Sub-Section, plus two sniper rifles and two rifles fitted with grenade discharger cups.  There is no indication from the official tables of personal weapons, but nine Thompson submachine guns were authorised, meaning the majority of the Troop would have carried rifles.  Two silenced Sten guns were also allocated.  

The Royal Marine Commando Troop of 1944 is somewhat different.  Troop HQ was reduced to a Captain, two Subalterns, the Sergeant Major and an orderly.  There were now two Assault Sections, each with two Sub-Sections and a Support Sub-Section, totalling twenty seven men..  

Each Sub-Section comprised of eleven men, led by a Sergeant with submachine gun.  The six man rifle group was led by a Corporal, again with SMG, and five rifle armed men.  The gun group was led by a rifle armed Corporal, with a Bren gunner and two rifleman to assist him.  The five man Support Sub-Section was led by a Corporal with SMG, and contained a sniper and a three strong 2-inch mortar team.  The gunner carried a pistol and the mortar, his two ammunition bearers both rifles. 

This leaves one man unaccounted for.  I had presumed he was an attached medic, but I have seen a reference to a Sergeant in Charge with the first Section.  This same source, from the RM Museum, also mentions both sniper and demolition sections as part of the Commando HQ, but gives no specific detail, other than to reduce strength to approximately 450 all ranks."

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Yes I read it carefully then looked that the Commando manual published in 1945. It lists the same as Bayonet Strength for RM Commandos the older 1943 Commando org appears to have been changed to the same as RM Commandos for D-Day so I have dropped the slightly different Army org from my D-Day list.

Certainly by D-Day they were no longer raiders with ad-hoc formations different for every mission they were elite assault infantry with a pretty fixed TO&E only flexability was in some weapon allocation eg extra LMG and PIATS etc.

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Thanks NTM. This is the part I used previously to create my list for Op Aubrey,

The two Sections each comprised of a Subaltern and Sergeant at HQ, with two Sub-Sections, each with a Lance Sergeant, Corporal and eleven men. The Troop also had four Bren guns, undoubtedly one per Sub-Section, plus two sniper rifles and two rifles fitted with grenade discharger cups. There is no indication from the official tables of personal weapons, but nine Thompson submachine guns were authorised, meaning the majority of the Troop would have carried rifles. Two silenced Sten guns were also allocated.

Reading further I'll have to adjust it for 47 @ Port-en-Bessain.

The Vickers K guns are not mentioned although John Forfar in his book refers to them being allocated according to mission requirements from the Support Troop.
The Vickers-K had a rate of fire of 950-1,200 round/min, (from a 60/100 round pan) although it couldn't sustain it for long due to overheating (then again that's also why the MG42 was limited to 5-7 round bursts). That sticks it squarely in the Belt fed LMG bracket - IMHO.

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