Polish army of France and other early war armies

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by aktr » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:27 am

oozeboss wrote:
aktr wrote:Poles fighting in France wearing Horizon blue!
Now there is a temptation
If you like playing French, which are is basically what they are. So not particularly obscure, per se.
I'm happy to play the French, its my Mrs that's demanding they be Obscure and to be honest she will never know what they are ;)

I do like the sound of the Norway campaigns however Gorgan studios international shipping seems quite pricey

Any idea how a Norwegian platoon was organised and what sort of support they had?

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by pedivere » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:24 am

I still don't understand what exactly is supposed to be obscure - how they look?

this is what the colleagues at FoW suggest:

PLATOON HQ:
Captain/Platoon Commander (m/14 .45 cal Pistol)
Lieutenant/Assistant Commander (m/14 .45 cal Pistol)
Platoon Sergeant (m/84 6.5mm Rifle)

4 x SECTIONS EACH CONTAINING:
Corporal/Section Leader (m/84 6.5mm Rifle)
LMG TEAM:
Pvt/Gunner (m/14 .45cal Pistol)
Pvt/Assistant Gunner (m/84 6.5mm Rifle)
Madsen m/22 6.5mm Light Machine Gun
RIFLE SQUAD:
6 x Privates (m/84 6.5mm Rifles)

looks pretty WW1 to me

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by Peter » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:27 pm

Two officers AND a platoon sergeant? No problem with command, then...

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by aktr » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:44 pm

pedivere wrote:I still don't understand what exactly is supposed to be obscure - how they look?
No just there participation in the war (at the point they are fighting)

they can be dressed like the French, using the French structure and fighting in France but as long as I know that they are actually Poles in exile then they count as obscure

it all stems from when I used to play FoW and never played the British/Americans/Germans/Soviets

That said if they look obscure or are using obscure kit then even better

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by pedivere » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:27 pm

Peter wrote:Two officers AND a platoon sergeant? No problem with command, then...
this the real life organisation. If you count the platoon commander as SL and the lieutenant and sergeant as JL and nothing else, it might look a bit different.
Corporals in many armies were not NCOs and would not count as leaders in CoC.
So there is a bit of leeway how to translate this into a CoC force.

there is a lack of runners, so I would translate this communication weakness into no section leaders. Maybe counting the lieutenant as SL then would be appropriate

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by Peter » Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:13 pm

I'd have no difficulty with assigning the platoon a different type of command structure if there's a good reason for it. But didn't most sections (British at least) have a corporal in charge?

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by Seret » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:31 pm

All sections will have somebody in charge, and the CoC definition of that person is a JL. In some armies that guy would hold the rank of corporal, in some a sergeant, etc.

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by pedivere » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:41 pm

right
having three leaders in the plt HQ who can divide the sections up between them would have the same effect

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by NickW » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:32 pm

Obscure: Some other early war campaigns/forces to consider: Italians vs. Albanians &/or Greeks. French North Africans in the 1940 campaign. French in Syria vs. British/Australian forces. [Might allow you to get dual-use out of some forces you already have :-) ]

Didn't one of the Specials have the Spanish Blue Division in Russia? [Could also do the Italians in Russia...]

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Re: Polish army of France and other early war armies

Post by Seret » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:31 pm

pedivere wrote:right
having three leaders in the plt HQ who can divide the sections up between them would have the same effect
If that's what their actual roles in the real platoon were, great. But I suspect it wasn't.

It would need more research. Some armies had NCOs attached the various HQs whose duties were largely administrative and liaison. Perhaps this is what we're seeing here? Or perhaps not.

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