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nap nuts?
OK will do - have several already but its getting the technique right on the stripes to look right at 28mm, as trying for the early version ala Italy

Found em - thanks

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I believe that the Sniper rifle does not come with the extensive training that a True sniper, worthy of the title, will have. The rifles were fitted with scopes and given to the best shot in the section. There is a shooting competence in the British army called "marksman". This is awarded to soldiers achieving a given score or above during the range classification shooting test. Though all soldiers may have been trained in the basics of a sniper rifle, it does not make him a sniper.

My recommendation for Marksman attribute. Can also apply to other nations.
My take on this then is to allocate a soldier to act as a marksman and perhaps re roll a miss and the ability to take aimed shots leaders, weapon crews, specialists, officers or vehicle commanders etc. They should be directed by a leader, as an activation. Otherwise they will shoot as a normal rifleman.

Bren teams. Normally 2 men , the loader carries a rifle. In a section, the section 2ic, a lance corporal, would be the gun group commander as well as acting as the assistant section leader. Only the Section commander was officially scaled for a Sten gun. Additional Stens would be held at battalion for issue as required.
Therefore, I would allow 2 smg and 7 rifles with a single Bren in each section. The additional Bren was intended as a spare weapon for parts in case of damage. The additional firepower would be at the cost of sharing existing stocks of Bren magazines distributed amongst the section. Just because you have another Bren, won't mean that twice the ammo will be available for it.
My recommendation is to delete the second Bren altogether and leave it as a random reinforcement or purchased from the list.
In any case the British should be able to buy smgs, reflecting smgs issued and the use of captured weapons at the rate of 1point for 2 smgs, could stretch this to using a MG42/34 but at firepower of say 4 dice to reflect low ammo stocks and poor weapon familiarity. Cost for this, 5pts to reflect its rarity. The crew must be found from within the current manpower.
Finally, delete the sniper at the platoon hq.







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I do not believe rarity is taken into account in costing of support lists in CoC at all
If that were the case Soviet Z-s - 3 would be 1 pt for 2 :)

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Glenn Foden wrote:I believe that the Sniper rifle does not come with the extensive training that a True sniper, worthy of the title, will have. The rifles were fitted with scopes and given to the best shot in the section. There is a shooting competence in the British army called "marksman". This is awarded to soldiers achieving a given score or above during the range classification shooting test. Though all soldiers may have been trained in the basics of a sniper rifle, it does not make him a sniper.

My recommendation for Marksman attribute. Can also apply to other nations.
My take on this then is to allocate a soldier to act as a marksman and perhaps re roll a miss and the ability to take aimed shots leaders, weapon crews, specialists, officers or vehicle commanders etc. They should be directed by a leader, as an activation. Otherwise they will shoot as a normal rifleman.
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My thoughts exactly!
Hence my previous statement:
"The 'Sniper'! Is he a true 'sniper' with all the sniper rules applicable or is he simply a 'marksman' within the Section"?
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Scott I think Glenns view and the rules auhtor differ would like to hear Richs game design reasons behind making them 'real' snipers

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Oh,..
And there is also a sniper in the Platoon HQ?
Lt,
Sgt,
2 with the Mortar,
2 with the piat,
and;
a sniper (team)?
So a total of TWO (2) snipers with a Brit Airborne Platoon is what I read.
One team in PHQ and one in No3 Section.
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I've played against the Paras loads and I think I agree with Glenn and Scott. I'm not sure having two snipers is right. For a start they're getting what would normally cost 6 support points at the bargain price of 1 extra point of force rating. In practice they rarely get to fire both snipers due to 1's being in short supply and desirable for other things like 2" mortar smoke, so I'm not saying the list is broken so much as the extra snipers are probably unnecessary.

The point about the fourth Bren is interesting. FWIW the KstNs list German line infantry as having no less than 5 MGs issued, but the extra ones were for AA and spares. When I've written lists I've stuck to one per squad and given them a List 2 option for fielding a fourth gun. I wonder if the Paras should be treated the same.

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So I'm reading it right.
No typo?
It's TWO sniper teams,...
One in PHQ and one in the third section?
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Yep.

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