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FO replacement

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So chaps, do you allow a JL to replace a killed FO? If so do you make any adjustments to his ability to call a barrage?

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No. Forward observers are specialists. They come from a different unit and have special training and equipment like radios and landlines. They can't be replaced.

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I tend to save instances of unusual situations that might impact on wargamers perceptions of rules.

I have not come across officers taking over FOO's roles though it seems officers called the fire missions and FOO's facilitated it by communicating to the artillery and ensuring its accuracy.

They did not decide to start or stop the barrage or pick the targets. The infantry officer did that, unless you were Soviet in which case the commanding officer of rhe battery was often the FOO and managed the fire plan on conjunction with regimental or divisional fire plans.

I do however have an account of a US FOO taking over the command of an infantry unit in an attack as he was the only officer left alive.

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Probably worth pointing out that despite what they're called on the support lists what we have in CoC aren't actually artillery forward observation officers. We've got mortar fire controllers from the infantry battalion's mortar platoon. That was usually an NCO billet, and very different from an actual FOO. Different rank, different corps, different job.

Either way, not someone Corporal Atkins can step in and take over from.

CoC doesn't really have any concept of planned fires; mortars and SFMGs are always just used ad hoc. The game would be marginally more complex but significantly more realistic if both SFMGs and mortars were off-table assets delivering pre-planned fires IMO. It would certainly make mortars much less flexible and powerful than they are now, which would probably be a good thing.

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Agreed

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the main reason I am asking is that we are playing Von Luck and the Germans place the FOO near a squad and a sniper engaged the group. The FOO was unluckily killed before he could act. At which point the Germans grabbed their strudels and retreated off the table as they felt they could not proceed with out using the battery and this wasted support points.

In light of what I am see we may need to invoke house rules and at least allow the SL to interact with the battery.

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Sooooo, why don't buy another FOO in the next game. Games are not merely won with just the FOO...the Germans in this campaign have the Lorraine Schlepper...as a matter of fact six of them are available through out the campaign. That puts a nice pinch on those nasty paras. I don't remember the FOO being limited in any campaign.

There is no need for any house rules. I have about 350+ games in, an no house rules applied.

Hope that helps.
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polish lancer wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:21 am
... The FOO was unluckily killed before he could act. At which point the Germans grabbed their strudels and retreated off the table as they felt they could not proceed with out using the battery and this wasted support points...
I think these kind of incidents were not uncommon and fairly reflected in CoC. Have a look at https://toofatlardies.co.uk/forum/viewt ... 264#p87264 and the related AAR for some great insight into the role of resilience and flexibility in CoC
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Re: FO replacement

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Ahhh right if you are going to withdraw every time you lose 4 pts worth of support you are never going to win a campaign as the attacker, period.
The campaigns usually revolve around Force moral and casualties to the core infantry not support.
I would suggest restarting the scenario or playing some more games before attempting to attack in a campaign - it is not easy to do .

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Re: FO replacement

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Mortar support can be very powerful. The downside is that it is brittle. Caveat emptor

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