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If you'd get a group of people and each one of them would take one or two WW2 participants and make a list of the AFV's they used and when (and in some cases where) they used them with some added notes e.g gun, mg's, armor thickness, would it help you Richard? I can make a list for the Soviets and Finns for example for the whole war.

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Yes, Good idea. I will put a new thread up.

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Greetings

I agree a collective effort would be good.

One thing that will be fun is availability of Lend Lease in Soviet service (as, for example, I've had extensive conversations about the first use of the 6pdr armed Valentine) in Soviet service.

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Edward on the Valentines this is taken from a translated Russian source

The first "Valentine" appeared in parts of the active army in the I end of November 1941, albeit in small quantities. It was used only a portion of the received 145 "Matilda", 216 "Valentine" and 330 "Universal". Thus, on the western front at 01/01/1942 Valentine "were in the 146-d (2-T-34, 10-T-60, 4-Mk.Sh), 23rd (1-T-34, 5 Mark . III) and 20 th (1-T-34, 1-T-26, 1-T-60, 2-Mk.Sh, 1-BA-20) tank brigades operating in combat order 16, 49 and 3rd Army, as well as in the 112 th TD (1-SW, 8-T-26, 6-Mk.Sh and 10-T-34), attached to the 50-th army. In the north-western front (4-th member. Army) fought 171 th separate tank battalion, as well as equipped with "Valentine" (10-T-60, 12, Mk.II, Mk.III 9).

From Tanks "VALENTINE" in the Red Army
M. Kolomiets, I. Moschanskiy

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Greetings
Truscott Trotter wrote:Edward on the Valentines this is taken from a translated Russian source

The first "Valentine" appeared in parts of the active army in the I end of November 1941, albeit in small quantities. It was used only a portion of the received 145 "Matilda", 216 "Valentine" and 330 "Universal". Thus, on the western front at 01/01/1942 Valentine "were in the 146-d (2-T-34, 10-T-60, 4-Mk.Sh), 23rd (1-T-34, 5 Mark . III) and 20 th (1-T-34, 1-T-26, 1-T-60, 2-Mk.Sh, 1-BA-20) tank brigades operating in combat order 16, 49 and 3rd Army, as well as in the 112 th TD (1-SW, 8-T-26, 6-Mk.Sh and 10-T-34), attached to the 50-th army. In the north-western front (4-th member. Army) fought 171 th separate tank battalion, as well as equipped with "Valentine" (10-T-60, 12, Mk.II, Mk.III 9).

From Tanks "VALENTINE" in the Red Army
M. Kolomiets, I. Moschanskiy
Thanks - those would I think be the early 2pdr Valentine I. My debates have really been over the first appearance on the battlefield of the (much) later 6pdr version (Mk VIII-X) and whether any of the Valentines at Kursk were of these later models. There's several photos of KO'd Mk VIII Valentines purporting to be from Kursk but they could in fact be later. By this time they would arrive via Iran but I can't find precise shipment dates and then there's the lag for getting them to Soviet depots, training the crews etc.

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Thats correct Edward unfortunately the article does not give dates for the introduction of the Mk IX or X with the 6pdr
I used to have a site that might have had that info but cannot seem to find it despite looking through my bookmarks - there are a few hundred of em though in the Soviet section alone!

I assume you have seen this?
http://www.o5m6.de/valentine_ix.html

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I'd like to contribute here also. I had in mind doing some less generic lists that are very specific to particular fighting within Stalingrad.

I've drafted one for Sturmschwadron 24 for the Barrikady assaults in November and have started working on corresponding Soviet groups. I'd like to do something for some of the pioneer battalion combat formations used in the same period.

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Sure thing, I am concentrating on the generic and Assault squad lists for both sides but if you want to do something for an actual historic scenario that would be great too. I am sure the cross fertilization of ideas would be of benefit as well.

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Do you already have a generic German pioneer platoon from the pioneer battalions rather than the infantry battalions? I think I know basically what that looks like but if you're already on it....

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Hi Phil, no I am doing a specialised assault group ala Stalingrad so it different than the standard pioneers - go for it!
Don't forget the rules for Goliaths if you are doing the pios :lol:

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