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Hi Guys
Just jumping on the Lardies CoC train - very interesting rules and looking forward to playing them.
One thought was that they would suit some of the small unit actions that occurred in Stalingrad (Pavlov's House anyone?)
I can see how the list structure could be adapted to cover the unique formations - the Assault Groups both German and Soviet that developed over time in the siege.
Before I start is there anyone else out there already working on this?
Would hate to duplicate work already done, but if not I will start on a draft of this over the next few weeks.
Cheers
TT :D

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Truscott

Not that I am aware of. I think you are cleared for take off!

I agree with you entirely about the ability to build formations to reflect very specific situations. Some of the roots of Chain of Command were in Mud & Blood where the rules had to be flexible enough to allow people to design and build teams for very specific trench raids on the Western Front. We kept that flexibility as it is easily applicable here too.

I fancied making jump-off points from man-hole covers for Stalingrad.

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Thanks Rich
I have 2 sets of resin manhole covers been sitting waiting ever since I read the street fighting rules from FOW (but could not get people to play without them wanting to use massed armour) - I think CoC will be their chance to become jump off point dioramas!

I will get to work on the initial lists first , publish the drafts here for comment and then work on the support lists. I will make them pretty much the same as the LW ones in the book, but just adjust the vehicle types for the period.

Basic Idea is like the other lists to do the Vanilla Grenadier, and the Assault Troops lists for the Germans and with the Soviets a 1942 Rifle plt - with Guards/Naval Div variation and the Storm Detachment. This should be simple as the structure remained the same but the moral level goes up to Elite? Also the Platoon force rating may be a guestimate.

I am thinking that as these formations were low level Company or lower formations the same support list options should apply to both specialised and standard infantry lists?

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Truscott

Fear not, I can help you with the number crunching to get the force rating level. Ditto with AFV ratings etc.

The hard part is finding the tactical doctrine for national characteristics (or force characteristics if we are going to use a better name), but with specialist teams this is generally pretty clear.

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Looking forward to these! :)
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OK here's my start for the Soviet list. I will now work on changing the support lists to match the period.

SOVIET STORM GROUP 1942-43
Platoon Force Ratings
Regular +1
Storm Troops are Diehards

Platoon Headquarters
Leytenant Senior Leader with SMG.
Squad One Assault
Serzhant , Junior Leader with SMG
Assault Squad 8 men with SMG
Squad Two & Three - Reinforcement / Reserve
Serzhant , Junior Leader with SMG
Assault Squad 2 men with SMG, plus
6 choices from the following list – number in bracket means that is number of choices to get that weapon and crew.
SMG (1)
LMG and 2 crew (2)
Maxim MMG and 3 crew (3)
ATR and 2 crew (2)
50mm mortar and 3 crew (3)
45mm ATG and 4 crew (4)
76mm Infantry gun and 5 crew (4)
82mm mortar and 4 crew (4)
Infantry Flamethrower and 1 assistant with Rifle (4)
No more than 2 weapons of the same type may be chosen except for SMG, in the platoon

SOVIET NATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS:
Kick the Door in
Soviet troops in house to house fighting were taught to open the door with a grenade and follow up with the SMG – then see who was in there. Also men in assault squads carried extra supplies of these valuable weapon for street fighting. To reflect this the following modifications to the grenade rules apply:
1.) The Leaders initiative point allows 2 men to throw grenades.
2.) Units run out of grenades when they use them for 3 consecutive phases.
Infiltration
Soviet infantry and in particular the pioneers, engineers and forward assault troops were renowned for their ability to approach the German lines undetected until almost within pistol shot range. To reflect this the following modification to the jump off point rules apply:
1.) After all Jump off points have been placed the Soviet player may move one of his jump off points (without using a CoC dice) up to 18” (including closer to the enemy) as long as it still ends in cover.
2.) The First unit only to use the moved jump off point may deploy as if it was elite i.e. 9” from the jump off point.

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Here is the modified Support and arsenal lists
SOVIET SUPPORT LIST
LIST ONE
Two Satchel Charge or similar
Minefield
Barbed Wire
Entrenchments for two Teams
LIST TWO
Roadblock
50mm mortar Team
Anti‐Tank rifle Team, 2 men
Tank Killer Team
Engineer Flamethrower Team, 3 men
Sniper Team
Pre‐Game Barrage
LIST THREE
Maxim MMG on wheeled tripod mount, 5 crew
Pre‐Game Barrage w/ Kaytusya -1 off die roll to come on
L46 45mm anti‐tank gun and 4 crew
Commissar
BA-6/10 with Junior Leader
LIST FOUR
BT-7 with Junior Leader
T60 with Junior Leader
Engineer Squad with Junior Leader
Regular Infantry Squad with Junior Leader
DSHK 12.7mm HMG with five crew
LIST FIVE
Naval Infantry Squad with Junior Leader
Scout Squad with Junior Leader
T70 with Junior Leader
76mm Infantry gun with crew of 4
LIST SIX
76.2mm Zis-3 with crew of 5
T34 M1942 with Junior Leader
LIST SEVEN
KV1E with Junior Leader
LIST EIGHT
KV2 with Junior Leader

SOVIET ARSENAL TABLE
Tanks & Armoured Cars
VEHICLE ARMOUR A.P. H.E. SPEED NOTES
T60 4 2 2 Average No hull MG
KV2 8 10 13 Slow No hull MG
BA‐10 3 5 4 Wheeled Half‐Track Option, hull MG

Guns A.P. H.E
76mm obr 1927 4 6
76.2mm Zis-3 8 6

Naval Infantry as per Normal Inf Squad but Diehard

Will do normal Infantry and Guards lists next!

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Looks good to me. What I thought I would work on is a comprehensive AFV table to cover the whole war and then put that in List format for each nation. It will be a big job, but I think it will make everyone's life easier.

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Greetings

A comprehensive list of AFVs would be interesting.

Might it be a good idea to have introduction dates or notes? I know this can be a bit of a minefield (I've had lots of discussions about equipment available for/used at Kursk which shouldn't be that controversial).

Regards

Edward

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Edward

Yes, I'd like to do it by year really. It'll be one hell of a job.

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