French Flamethrowers in WW2

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Neil Todd
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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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I have seen more flame throwers used in Bolt action than I have CoC and I have played a lot less games of BA than CoC, but I agree they are still used more than they should be and not how they should be.
The times I have seen them used on the table in CoC are usually by a defender as an ambush weapon, that does my head in but each to their own.

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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poiter50 wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:07 am
TT, your house rules are?
simple if you use a flamethrower in ambush you have to drop your pants and run round the table, but in the age of Covid we decided this was not enough so now are rules are:

FLAME THROWERS
The practicalities of flamethrowers was that they
were basically used against stationary targets like
bunkers, houses or disabled vehicles. They took time
to get into position close enough to hit the target.
When the fuel was ignited the target disappeared
behind a wall of flame and smoke. To reflect their
historical usage the following rule modifications are
made:

Man packed flamethrowers may not shoot while
moving, vehicle mounted flamethrowers can only
shoot while moving 1D6, but at full effect.

Flamethrowers may not shoot at a target moving
faster than 1D6. Vehicle mounted flamethrowers
may not shoot at a moving target whilst they are
moving themselves

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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Thanks. I suspect the members of our host club, the Rhein-Donau Clus of WA may be a tad reluctant to accept the pants dropping but I will take on board the other suggestions.
Truscott Trotter wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:48 am
poiter50 wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:07 am
TT, your house rules are?
simple if you use a flamethrower in ambush you have to drop your pants and run round the table, but in the age of Covid we decided this was not enough so now are rules are:

FLAME THROWERS
The practicalities of flamethrowers was that they
were basically used against stationary targets like
bunkers, houses or disabled vehicles. They took time
to get into position close enough to hit the target.
When the fuel was ignited the target disappeared
behind a wall of flame and smoke. To reflect their
historical usage the following rule modifications are
made:

Man packed flamethrowers may not shoot while
moving, vehicle mounted flamethrowers can only
shoot while moving 1D6, but at full effect.

Flamethrowers may not shoot at a target moving
faster than 1D6. Vehicle mounted flamethrowers
may not shoot at a moving target whilst they are
moving themselves

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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Neil Todd wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:30 am
The times I have seen them used on the table in CoC are usually by a defender as an ambush weapon, that does my head in but each to their own.
Same here. They're generally used late in the game as an ambush weapon, both by attackers and defenders. Once a side has troops in contact they use an ambush to deploy a flamethrower and that almost always instantly ends the fire fight by breaking the enemy section. The loss of morale from that often decides the result of the game right then and there.

I think the solution is probably just to substantially increase their support cost. Since a flamethrower generally instantly neutralises an enemy section I think it should cost at least as much as a section does. I would put a manpack flamethrower team on List 5, minimum.

You want players to have to think twice before taking them. Right now the only thing stopping a player from taking one in every game is just the desire not to be too much of a cheesemonger. If you've got a game you really need to win it's almost a no-brainer to fling two or three support points at one.

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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In 1944, French used FT when assaulting Marina di Campo. They also created Assault Platoons, mixing FT and bazookas when assaulting the fortifications in the Massif de l'Authion in 1945.

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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poiter50 wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:59 am
The Italians OTOH?
The Italians certainly had them (e.g. the Lanciaflamme Spalleggiabile Model 35) as they sold some to the Finns. I have no information on their use by the Italians.

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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What dat — Spag. Bol. 35?

Perhaps someone knows a little about the Italian campaign in North Africa vs the Brits? Would be interesting to know if the Brits captured any.

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Italians Gusitore (sp) made extensive use of them in North Africa, not so much in Greece or Sicily.

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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Although I agree with your analysis of the problem , Seret I disagree on the solution, simply increasing the cost does not address the underlying problem in their real life capabilities vs their performance in the game.
I prefer to change their capabilities to closer match their realities.

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Re: French Flamethrowers in WW2

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No ambush, chain of command dice to give it a malfunction?
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