Recce Troop

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by BaronVonWreckedoften » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:38 pm

Truscott Trotter wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:27 pm
So bringing 3 tanks on hub to hub by playing the dice simultaneously and dropping 36 MG dice in a unit before it can respond doesn't feel right to me YMMV.
I know it's artificial, but could you not get round that by banning co-ordinated fire on one target in the first turn that the vehicles appear on the table? Either they would enter in "line ahead" and only the front vehicle could see the target, or else they would come in side-by-side and be looking at all points of the clock and thus have different targets.
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Re: Recce Troop

Post by Tomm » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:02 pm

Or by them actually having something on overwatch or play an ambush or....

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by B. Wren » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:31 pm

I've been pondering this whilst trying to do something with German motorbike and sidecars. I wondered if recce units, however so defined, could force opponent to deploy their stuff first, representing reconnaissance units finding out where enemy are?

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by Truscott Trotter » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:09 pm

Isn't that covered in the rules by threatening a JOP with a scout team?

I like my scout team to be mounted in a small low profile and fast moving vehicle , personally 😆

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by B. Wren » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:48 pm

Oh yeah - I now remember something like that. It's basically deploy something there or lose it, right?

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by Truscott Trotter » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:08 pm

Right

nothing like racing up with a section on motorbikes and seizing a JOP on the first turn when you opponent decided to play clever and not deploy on his first turn :D

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by Eclaireur » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:09 pm

I see that Lardy Nick has produced an excellent article in the new Lard Mag about British Recce and how to represent it in CoC. Exactly what I was looking for, in fact!
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Re: Recce Troop

Post by Groupe_Franc » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:04 am

The various combatants changed the composition of recce units during the war for several reasons. Here is the TO&E of the four German recce units as of 9/29/42. This is from Nafziger and appeals to my affection for German armored cars, especially the Sdkfz 233 armored cars.

1 Armored Car Company
18 Sd Kfz 231 (18 20mm & 18 LMGs)
6 Sd Kfz 223 (6 LMG)
1 Armored Car Platoon
6 Sd Kfz 233 (6 75mm L/24 guns)
1 Panzer (Half Track) Reconnaissance Company
14 Sd Kfz 251 with 18 LMGs, 2 HMGs, 3 28mm PzBu41
4 Sd Kfz 251/9 with 4 75mm guns
1 Support Company
1 (mot) Signals Platoon
1 (mot) Pioneer Platoon (4 LMGs)
1 Self Propelled Panzerjäger Platoon
(3 self propelled 75mm PAK 40 & 3 LMGs)
1 (mot) Flak Battery (4 88mm guns & 2 LMGs)
1 (mot) Light Reconnaissance Supply Column (3 LMGs)

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Re: Recce Troop

Post by Eclaireur » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:56 pm

Thanks Groupe_Franc
I don't know much about their doctrine - whether, for example, they have have attached a 233 to one of the light armoured car platoons, or whether they kept them together,
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Re: Recce Troop

Post by hedgehobbit » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:29 pm

Several years ago, I posted an army list for the US Calvary Reconnaissance Troop that was in the US Armored and Infantry Divisions. The US Recon platoon was unique (I think) because it included three armored cars as well as three infantry sections in the same platoon. In addition, each infantry section was deployed in two jeeps, something that isn't legal in the base Chain of Command rules. In addition, a US Infantry Battalion also included a recon platoon which used the same "one section - two jeeps" deployment method although it lacked the armored cars.

As far as Germans go, their infantry divisions had something called a Fusilier Company that was used for recon although they didn't have any armored cars. [A German infantry division only had two armored cars in the whole division.] I haven't seen a CoC layout for these Fusiliers.

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