Gembloux Gap halftrack query

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Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by poiter50 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:27 am

In the list of weapons/vehicles available to a Schutzen platoon for this PSC, there is mention of a SdKfz 250/1 half track being available to one of the companies (only). I'm not sure as to why this is even mentioned as it does not appear in the support lists available to the platoon. I'm also not sure they would have been issued with the 250/1 as the few of those available at the time would have been used in the recce role rather than as grunt carriers.

Anyone care to elucidate?

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by Truscott Trotter » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:33 am

Wots the name/number of the unit?

Someone with better google fu than me could then find it.

I thought 250's were rare beasties indeed in 1940 but as you say were normally given to Auksfl units.

EDIT Actually wiki reckons due to production delays none were in service before mid 1941 so my money is on typo :D

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by poiter50 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:37 am

3 Schützen Regiment with three battalions. All of the Schützen were truck mounted, apart from one company which had the much coveted, but extremely rare, SdKfz 250/1 half-tracks. from the PSC, there is no unit ref in that.

My reference book on the recce units is out on loan ATM, so I am unable to check that.

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by Truscott Trotter » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:41 am

Reckon its 251/1

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by poiter50 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:52 am

Agreed but then it doesn't appear in the support lists. I would have thought that it might be there albeit at a higher cost than normal dues to scarcity.
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:41 am
Reckon its 251/1

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by redmist1122 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:38 pm

In the main 1940 Blitzkrieg handbook, the 251 is available in the Generic Schutzen platoon support list for 2 points. As my son and I are currently playing the PSC, I would not have a problem for him to field one...with exra cost of a point.
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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by poiter50 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:43 pm

I'd be happy with that as well. Will talk to my opponent.
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In the main 1940 Blitzkrieg handbook, the 251 is available in the Generic Schutzen platoon support list for 2 points. As my son and I are currently playing the PSC, I would not have a problem for him to field one...with exra cost of a point.

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by Truscott Trotter » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:49 pm

FWIW the first models of the 251 some used in Poland and France were not bullet proof.
Yup they used mild steel plate not armoured.
Talk about psychological value only 😉

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:23 am

OK here you go all you ever wanted to know about the 250
http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/stra ... sy/250.php
The first 39 pieces of the new half-track were taken over by the army in June 1941. In the following months of 1941,

and the 251
http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/stra ... sy/251.php
In the first months of production did not start as fast as the army wanted. In particular, supplies of armor plates were stuck. Therefore, the Germans reached for an emergency solution and began in addition to full-fledged half-belts to produce vehicles of unhardened steel. In the course of 1939 there were probably built more than three hundred pieces. The official name of this subversion was mittlerer ungepanzerter Mannschaftsransportwagen (ungepanzerter = unarmored).
In virtually all directions, the unarmoured car reached the same parameters as the standard SdKfz 251, but was less resistant to shelling.

Despite the reduced resistance was ungepanzerter Mannschaftstransportwagen assigned to the units as a normal combat car. However, as soon as the army had enough full-hardened steel half-belts, it began shifting the unarmoured vehicles to non-combat tasks such as driver training.

Production of semi-belt Ausf version. And probably ended at the turn of 1939 and 40. A total of 232 were built (plus those about three hundred armored).

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Re: Gembloux Gap halftrack query

Post by poiter50 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:04 am

I think the inclusion of the 250/1 in the PSC is a typo or misunderstanding in that case. The 251 is the one to have in an Armoured Division unit that was equipped with armoured half tracks. Yes, they may have been mild steel but even the plate steel was able to be penetrated by standard bullets. I have seen a 7.62 mm round go through a Bren carrier's side albeit at close range and square on.

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