Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

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Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Trailape » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:58 am

A Bren Carrier has a two man crew and an NCO.
Driver, Gunner and commander.
But how many extra men can or did it carry?
If operating as a section (3 vehicles) it gets two junior leaders and a SL thrown in for 9 support points and all 3 Carrieris can activate on a ‘2’ or a ‘3’ (Nice) assuming they are classed as ‘Small Fighting Vehicles as per the core rules which seems right to me.
See 11.1.2 :
‘Small Fighting Vehicles
These have a single or no weapon mounted, such as motorcycles or Jeeps, and may activate individually on a 1 as a weapon Team or on a 3 if ridden or driven by a Junior Leader. Where several small vehicles are operating together, such as a motorcycle Squad, they may activate together on a roll of 2 or their Junior Leader’s 3, rolling for any movement as a Section rather than as individual vehicles’.

So can you load extra men into a Bren Carrier? I know they started loading 4 men (Commander, Driver / mechanic, Gunner and Rifleman) in each Carrier from about 1941 but is there anything preventing the Platoon commander giving 3 men to the Carrier Section?
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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Derek H » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 am

Trailape wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:58 am
So can you load extra men into a Bren Carrier? I know they started loading 4 men (Commander, Driver / mechanic, Gunner and Rifleman) in each Carrier from about 1941 but is there anything preventing the Platoon commander giving 3 men to the Carrier Section?
In real life you certainly could

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Though I don't imagine they would do that in close proximity to the enemy.
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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:29 am

No extra.men esp in 1940.
They are not used as transports at this point.
They were scouts , liason brought up ammo and took away wounded.
They are also the best support for the points hands down.
Nothing says deploy or lose your JOP like a pair of Bren carriers.
If.the enemy has no AT they are MBT's if they do you use your mobility to be an annoying MG

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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Seret » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:59 am

Trailape wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:58 am
A Bren Carrier has a two man crew and an NCO.
Driver, Gunner and commander.
But how many extra men can or did it carry?
If you're talking about actual early war Bren carriers then yes, three man crew and not a not of room to carry much else. Once they shifted over to the Universal Carrier the crew stayed at three for a while. From '43 the infantry battalion carrier platoons bumped that up to four men, although the Motor Battalion scout platoons stayed at three.

You see a lot of pics of carriers transporting loads of guys, and they were used as runabouts and transports, but in combat you've got to remember that the carrier platoon was a separate unit with its own mission. It would be pretty unusual for a rifle platoon to detach guys and load them into a carrier, even if the carrier was supporting them. Where carriers were acting aggressively their mission was generally to support the rifle companies by turning up with a load of extra machine guns. They weren't really assault transports.

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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Trailape » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:41 am

Truscott Trotter wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:29 am
No extra.men esp in 1940.
They are not used as transports at this point.
They were scouts , liason brought up ammo and took away wounded.
They are also the best support for the points hands down.
Nothing says deploy or lose your JOP like a pair of Bren carriers.
If.the enemy has no AT they are MBT's if they do you use your mobility to be an annoying MG
Yep,.. that’s what I was thinking but at 3 points a piece the Vickers VIc is better bang for your $ imho.
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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:46 am

Mk Vi's cannot capture JOP's IIRC
Also MK VI's ca only fire 1 weapon at a time too.

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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Trailape » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:07 am

Truscott Trotter wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:46 am
Mk Vi's cannot capture JOP's IIRC
Also MK VI's ca only fire 1 weapon at a time too.
Ah yes,... but a HMG hits harder than a Bren and reduces cover,..
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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Captain W Martin » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:36 pm

They are great in the right situation.....

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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Quackstheking » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:40 pm

Truscott Trotter wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:46 am
Mk Vi's cannot capture JOP's IIRC
Also MK VI's ca only fire 1 weapon at a time too.
Is there a specific rule for Mk VI’s not capturing JOP’s as point 7.6 of the FAQ’s specifically says tanks can capture and close down JOP’s?

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Re: Bren Carriers. Are they worth using?

Post by Seret » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:37 pm

Trailape wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:41 am
Yep,.. that’s what I was thinking but at 3 points a piece the Vickers VIc is better bang for your $ imho.
Maybe, but remember the main advantage of carriers is that they were organic to the infantry battalion. An infantry commander would always have carriers available, you're only going to get Mk VIs if the unit has actual tank support attached. So if you're playing a scenario you're always going to have carriers, but you might not have Mk VIs available.

Their mission is quite different too. The carriers aren't tanks, they're mounted infantry. They could fight mounted if speed was necessary or opposition was light, but their default way of fighting was to dismount and fight on foot. If you think of it as a tank and compare it to tanks it's probably going to come off looking a bit lame. Actually it's an infantry team that happens to have an armoured ride.

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