Soviet M1927 76mm IG

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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby Truscott Trotter » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:28 am

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then you need to add the wheels from this
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EDIT actually found the right one at Company B
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby Seret » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:59 am

redmist1122 wrote:Went to the PSC site, didn't see one in 28mm...I did in 1/76 scale.


It's in the box with the AT guns.
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby Sadurian » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:45 pm

batesmotel34 wrote:
I beleive the only difference between the M1927 and the M1943 is the gun carriage. The 45mm At gun was cheaper and simpler to produce so it was adopted in the interest of improved production. Any differences in AT performance were presumably due to improved ammo since I believe both guns used the same rounds.

That's correct, the M1943 had HEAT rounds available by the time it was issued (i.e. 1943). These were also issued to the existing M1927 guns but by that stage the production of the latter had been completely overtaken by the M1943. Earlier M1927s had had to rely on the rather inadequate low-velocity AP ammunition (the Germans captured enough of them to make it worth developing their own HEAT). M1927s were still used until the end of the war (this was the Soviet Union, after all) but I didn't know how the CoC rules would have treated the update, if at all.

Given the way CoC makes little or no performance changes to guns to reflect different ammunition, I presumed that the HEAT ammunition would be ignored and thus either the two guns would be treated identically or the M1943 would be given better AP to reflect the development and issue of HEAT at the time the M1943 was developed.

The M1943 wasn't exactly the same barrel and breech, by the way, but the changes from the M1927 were minor.
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby redmist1122 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:46 pm

So I have to buy two to make the correct model? That doesn't sound cheap/inexpensive...
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby Sadurian » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:58 pm

redmist1122 wrote:
So I have to buy two to make the correct model? That doesn't sound cheap/inexpensive...

Not at all. The wooden wheels were standard for the early guns that were horse-drawn but the pneumatic tyres and solid wheels were brought in for vehicle-drawn guns where the speed would damage wooden spooked wheels. This was standard for most armies. Russia used plenty of horse-drawn guns throughout the war so there is no need to change the wheels if you don't want to.

The cheapest way is probably to use the M1943 made by Plastic Soldier Company if you just want a Soviet 76mm Regimental/Infantry Gun for the 1943 campaign.

The PSC Anti-Tank Gun Boxed Set in 28mm contains two models, each of which you can build as the 45mm M1937 or M1942 ATGs, or as the 76mm M1943 IG (because the real M1943 used the same carriage and shield as the 45mm ATG). The box comes with eight crewmen (i.e. four for each gun). It is not that easy to find on the PSC website but if you click on 'World War Two' (NOT the 'WW2 28mm' for some reason), then 'Russia', then '28mm', you should find the box. Why you cannot see it under 'WW2 28mm' I have no idea.

The PSC box costs £13.50 for two gun models in the UK, Hobby Bunker are advertising it at $16.99 in the USA.

If you want the M1927 specifically, then you can buy the metal model from Company B. The website has it at $24.00 with five crewmen (found in the 'Tabletop Miniatures' section. The Russian-crewed version has the solid wheels with pneumatic tyres. The field gun with winter-dressed Czech Legion crewmen and wooden spoked wheels is presumably also meant to represent a 76mm M1927 but really shouldn't. The Czech Legion was a feature of the Russian Civil War and the M1927 was developed afterwards.* It does, however, offer a differently-wheeled version of the gun so is a nice option.



*It is possibly meant to represent an earlier gun, but it doesn't resemble either the M1900 or the M1902 so I suspect that it is an error.
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby redmist1122 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:52 pm

@Sadurian,
Thus the hidden treasure on that site. Thank you for the insights of the different types...I had no idea. Will look it up when I get home from work. Work filters are blocking the web site.

Does anyone know what the style if the gun in which Battle Honors is selling? They have no pics on their web page.

Thanks again.
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby Truscott Trotter » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:22 pm

Sorry about the confusion Greg both colour shots are from Company B website. Found the second one later.
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby redmist1122 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Gotcha...thanks!
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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

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Re: Soviet M1927 76mm IG

Postby redmist1122 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:01 am

Getting my daily dose of YouTube, just saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ-MER_XN0c

I think its the same gun in discussion being recovered out of a river...very cool!
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