Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP2 variant

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Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP2 variant

Post by M.P. » Tue May 19, 2015 11:10 pm

Hi :D

Since it's my first post on this very forum I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Tom and I'm crazy about eastern european renaissance so after discovering SP I've decided to make a variant of SP for wargaming the cossacks' rebellions from 1591 to 1651.

So briefly what's it all about:

- man-to-figure ratio, roughly 1:5 (so not a company level game, rather up to 4 companies)

- gaming small engagements between poles (mainly cavalry sometimes with small detachment of dragoons) and cossacks (mainly infantry with warwagons support and a group or two of dragoons)sometimes with tatar allies

- many changes in terminology to add some period flavour

- biggest changes in armament and fistcuffs

- campaign system inspired by TSS

Here's a very very rough draft (hope it's not a breach of copyright laws):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e7il6gq7fwc2w ... .docx?dl=0

Regards,
Tom
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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by Richard » Tue May 26, 2015 4:25 pm

Hi Tom

Looks fun and interesting. There is a piece in one of the Specials about Cossacks, I can't recall which.

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by Derek H » Wed May 27, 2015 7:00 am

Richard wrote: There is a piece in one of the Specials about Cossacks, I can't recall which.
Christmas, 2008. It's Cossacks vs Poles in 1812.
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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by M.P. » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:48 pm

Thank you, I know this article, however it covers conflict with cossacks, their tactics changed considerably from XVII century. Especially in case of their horsemanship.

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by M.P. » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:29 am

Small update:

I'm working on some force lists akin to those in CoC. The main problem is - how to rate particular types of blackpowder weapons.

fowling piece 0.5
arquebuse 1
forkless musket 1.5
Fork-rested musket 2

and the biggest problem, how to rate soldiers without blackpowder weapons. Any suggestions?

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by M.P. » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:30 am

Update:

I've decided to keep the original sp force composition rules but add something akin to CoC support lists with wagons, small caliber artillery, hakownicas (something between musket and swivel gun), armour for big men, bonus cards etc.


New formation

spear stand

While regular pikes didn't see much use in small skirmishes, spears did eapecially in case of cossacks. To form a spear stand at least two groups are required while at least on of them is equiped with spears. The latter must be in front of the others in two ranks. The two rear ranks of the groups behind may shoot normally third rank may use half of it's dice. Frontal attacks on the spear stand are treated as attacking formation in light cover.

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by andy_cole » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:54 pm

I'm liking this, and plan to use some of your ideas with the sharp practice 1645, just a few threads across...

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by M.P. » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:41 pm

Thanks :). I'm currently working on rules for salvo fire, countermarch, firing by ranks and a certain mode of fire utilized by cossacks.

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by M.P. » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:31 am

So to make the force composition more plausible in historical context I had to trim a bit the availible troop types:

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
cossack-style cavalry (later also wallachian and tatar style, 1651 onwards more or less)
petyhortsy
dragoons

Zaporozhian Cossacks
Moloitsy registered or not
Cossack rabble (Czerń)
Harcownicy (sort of more melee focused skirmishing infantry)
Plastuny (sharpshooting skirmishers)
cossack cavalry (very crapy cavalry, more like dragoons)

Crimean Tatars
Horseman
Kazindji (tatar mounted rabble)


Why no winged hussars might you ask?
Well during such small skirmish actions the mainstay troop type of PLC was cossack style cavalry later accompanied by wallachian and tatar style cavalry or dragoons ( 1630 onwards IIRC).

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Re: Damn those rebellious Cossacks! - SP variant

Post by M.P. » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:32 am

So after a bit of a break I'm returning to this project.

Aknowledging new troop types I have few problems working out some stuff, but for now:

Zaporoshian Cossacks

cossack moloitsy (conscripts & volunteers)

registered cossacks (regulars)

cossack cavalry (irregular cavalry)

plastuny (irregular skirmishers)

cossack rabble (wallahs)

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

Cossack Style Cavalry (scouting cavalry)

Cossack style cavalry with spears (or petyhortsy or later pancerni) (impact cavalry)

Volunteers and Noble levy (irregular cavalry)

Dragoons (dragoons)


Now getting to the problems with the new troop types - how would you model groups with mixed weapons?

Cossack moloitsy should have half shot half spear groups.

Cossack style cavalry should have musketoons and bows.

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