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Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Novista » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:24 am

Alright all? Can anyone point towards information on the above.
On naval troop quality at Sevastopol, it ranges from green to regular, my info definitely leans on a dividing line between, possible marines, sailors as infantry, then ad-hoc sailor inf/militia, maybe by the time of op storfang itself, access to elite, the obvious rule would be tough in h to h, i’m not sure “aggressive” fits the bill, but with little knowledge of CoC on my part, i’m sure others are better placed to answer.
The Germans have some nice (?) units in there, inf plats with engineers, AG’s and PJ’s in support assaulting hard points.
A multitude of varied missions. Sevastopol has got it all. Anyroad any help appreciated. Cheers. Si.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Rich H » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:47 am

Stubborn would do it. They fight again if beaten by 1 in HtH which doesn't sound like much but can turn the tide (Or leave both units devastated).

I'd rate them as green though as they aren't infantry. Then add in the option in the lists for regular support infantry to represent the variable quality and then Marines as elites perhaps? But Elites aren't going to be common (Mostly as the Elite troops were expended first in most Soviet engagements).

I'd not worry too much about organisation as I can't see a TO&E lasting long in Sevastopol.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:49 am

I would not rate any marines as elite but would consider them as stubborn and aggressive regulars. Even those in Stalingrad.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Rich H » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:08 am

fair call

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:42 am

Yeah like the SS they will get the job done.....no matter the cost.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Novista » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:07 pm

Sounds good, I wasn’t sure whether experience would count towards, elite status, I.e. by the time they get to storfang they’ve been through the mill. The Soviets fight a different battle to everyone else. I suppose i’m wearing a Western European hat, need to get my head round them so I can field them better, but that’s a different story. Cheers for the help.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Truscott Trotter » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:10 pm

Yes part of the problem is the different way Soviets treated their units.

A Division was usually fought until it was ineffective ie 80%+ casualties then it was pulled into reserve and rebuilt not from a cadre but new recruits. It might then spend 3-6 months training before being thrown into the frontline and chewed up again.

Contrast this with the US or German methods and you can see why there were few 'vetran' units in the RKKA.

Guards status was simply a reward for winning a fight or two they also got better supplied with equipment. Naval and Airborne units did have a higher espirit de corps but were not necessarily veteran in experience.

Scouts, NKVD and Assault Engineers also had better moral and specialised skills. The Scouts and AE might justify elite in mid 44 onwards but with 5 dice not 6.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Novista » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:49 am

Quite a horrifying machine, all for the motherland eh... Edit. Straight up though, no messing, total war.
So like rich says in the rules, a bludgeoning tool, no finesse.
Bit off topic, so when I play them, the support is purely there as support (sounds obvious). I.e. a funnel for the grinder?
Edit. Forgot to say thanks for the insight.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Archdukek » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:32 am

Rich has confirmed that Elite status under the rules, including the 6 Command dice, is really intended to be reserved for the best of the best. Highly experienced and skilled troops might justify being treated as Elite in terms of their field craft skills, but should be restricted to 5 Command Dice as TT suggests.

However, in practice it was often a fine line between that and the troops becoming reluctant veterans, tactically capable but unwilling to take unnecessary risks. One way to reflect that in CoC would be to treat them as Elites with 5 Command Dice but reduce their Force Morale roll as if they were Green. So sometimes they will stick it out, but other days they will slip away if casualties mount.

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Re: Soviet Naval Infantry Platoon Composition

Post by Novista » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:25 pm

Cheers John.

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